VF - OPPOSES HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE / CIVIL UNIONS

7/17/2018

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Opposes gay “marriage”. Media Release: Legalizing of Gay Marriages. 1/12/2004. www.vryheidsfront.co.za

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Lize Schlebusch

12/8/2019 10:32:28 pm

The VF+ made it clear during the last elections (2019) that they are not opposed to homosexual marriage.
So this table needs to be edited.

Anon.

10/29/2021 09:44:38 am

https://twitter.com/News24/status/1124312288108908544

Anon.

10/31/2021 11:39:22 pm

From 2019 - FF Plus leader @GroenewaldPJ on gay rights ( https://twitter.com/News24/status/1124312288108908544 ), also here ( https://www.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/live-ff-plus-leader-pieter-groenewald-answers-your-questions-20190503 )

"What is the parties [FF+] stance on gay rights?"
"Groenewald: We say that they have equal rights like anyone else in SA. I'm the first person since 1994, we had visits of the SA Gay and Lesbians Rights Association visit the portfolio committee I was in - they've asked for equal rights, and I said, yes of course you have equal rights. They came to thank me afterwards. As a Christian, the principle is, love your neighbour as yourself. That is our stance. We have gay and lesbian people who are official members of the party."

It is unclear what the FF+ means by "gay rights":
- Do these "rights" include same-sex 'marriage'?
- Do these "rights" include LGBTQ+ normalisation through sex education in schools?
- Do these "rights" mean that the Christian witness of God's will for human sexuality (Matthew 19:3-15; Genesis 2:18-25) should be classified as hate speech or limited to pastors in the pulpit?
- Do these "rights" mean that the SAHRC should be manipulated for LGBTQ+ normalisation?

- OR do these "rights" simply entail that those that self-identify as LGBTQ+ be treated with the love and kindness that should be afforded to all people, that they not be vilified, nor treated with violence (as is sadly the case sometimes) and that they not be subject to unfair discrimination based on their self-identification as LGBTQ+?

From 2006 - 14 November 2006 vote in the National Assembly on the Civil Union Act ( https://www.parliament.gov.za/storage/app/media/Docs/hansard/50789_1.doc )

"Dr C P MULDER: Agb Mevrou die Voorsitter, die agb lid Ntombela wat so pas gepraat het, het ’n lang betoog gelewer oor die werklikheid van mense met ’n ander seksuele georiënteerdheid wat in Suid-Afrika bestaan. Dit is ’n werklikheid en ons ontken dit nie, maar dit is nie waaroor dit vandag gaan nie. Dit gaan vandag oor die instelling van die huwelik en die werklikheid daar rondom. Hierdie wetsontwerp wat huwelike tussen mense van dieselfde geslag moontlik sal maak, is uiters omstrede. Niemand wil dit hê nie, selfs nie die meerderheid van die ANC se koukus nie. Die ANC moes ’n besluit geneem het wat al sy lede forseer om vandag vir hierdie wetsontwerp te stem en tog word dit deurgeforseer.

Die vraag kan gevra word: Hoekom is dit die geval? Hoekom? Omdat die Woord van God nie die hoogste gesag in hierdie land is nie, maar wel die mensgemaakte Grondwet. Die Grondwet behoort daar te wees om die gemeenskap te dien. Dit kan nooit korrek wees dat die Grondwet kan verwag dat die gemeenskap sy eie waardes moet verloën nie. (Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs follows.)

[Dr C P MULDER: Hon Madam Chairperson, the hon member Ntombela who has just spoken expounded at length on the reality that exists in South Africa for people with a different sexual orientation. It is a reality and we do not deny it, but that is not what this is about today. Today it is about marriage as an institution and the reality that surrounds it. This Bill that will make same-sex marriages possible is extremely controversial. Nobody wants it, not even the majority of the ANC caucus. The ANC had to resolve to compel all its members to vote for this Bill today and still it is being forced through.

The question can be asked: Why is this so? Why? Because the Word of God is not the highest authority in this country, but in fact the man-made Constitution is. The Constitution should be there to serve the community. It can never be acceptable that the Constitution can expect from the community to deny their own values.]

A constitution and its practical implications in law should take the values of the community it serves into account. Exercising rights should not go against the value system of society, because if it does, it estranges the constitution from the community.

Dit is presies wat hier gebeur. Hierdie saak druis in teen die waardestelsel van die breë Suid-Afrikaanse gemeenskap. [This is exactly what is happening here. This matter is at variance with the value system of the broader South African community.]

The strong Christian nature of the South African community and the influence of Islam and the traditional African religions in our communities are all strongly opposed to the legitimising of marriages between persons of the same gender. However, this government does not want to listen to the people and what they are saying.

Die Christelike gemeenskap is daarteen. Die Moslemgemeenskap is daarteen. Die tradisionele leiers is daarteen en tog word dit deur geforseer. [The Christian community is against it. The Muslim community is against it. The traditional leaders are against it and yet it is still forced through.]

Marriage is an institution created by God between a man and a wo

Anon.

10/31/2021 11:41:17 pm

man. That is why God created Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. We will vote against this Bill for that reason. [Interjections.] "

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